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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Wed, 7 Jun 2000 21:4:18 -0000 (GMT)
From: Dean Calahan |
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Steve asks:
> Another issue, of course, is how do we do this with only Arctic species?
I suggest that we prospect for viable species this year.
Somebody could take a sterilized biofilter up to the Arctic this year, and
run a bunch of native water & supplied nutrients through it to establish a
native ecology. Then it could be brought back and examined.
Something similar could be done to prospect for algae or other species.
Snow ecology might also be something to look into; there are entire
ecologies of bacteria, tardigrades, worms, algae and other species that live
within patches of snow, often coloring it red, orange, or yellow. Perhaps
treks to Devon Island's ice caps should be scheduled, to seek specimens
and/or simply study the indigenous snow ecology there.
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 2:1:2 -0000 (GMT)
From: Stephen Braham |
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It's certainly an interesting idea! Two quick points we'll need
to handle though:
(1) Collecting plants there, etc, needs a research permit. We
should check with Pascal and see what he thinks.
(2) Samples generally will be difficult to return to the US.
Actually, a third one is that some of this has already been done,
of course, in various ways, as part of HMP and other Arctic studies.
Steve
Erik Biermann wrote:
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> [to Life Support Task Force, from Erik Biermann ]
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> Prospecting for Artic species by trying to innoculate some sterile
> substrate may be a good experiment to try this summer. If the various
> species that grow within the snow or permafrost are amenable to growth
> within a biofilm, we could end up with a biofilm reactor that is fairly
> efficient at lower temperatures since those organisms will already have
> proteins and enzymes designed by nature to perform metabolic functions at
> low temps.
>
> Any other thoughts?
>
> Erik Biermann
>
> On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Dean Calahan wrote:
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> > [to Life Support Task Force, from "Dean Calahan" ]
> >
> > Steve asks:
> > > Another issue, of course, is how do we do this with only Arctic species?
> >
> > I suggest that we prospect for viable species this year.
> >
> > Somebody could take a sterilized biofilter up to the Arctic this year, and
> > run a bunch of native water & supplied nutrients through it to establish a
> > native ecology. Then it could be brought back and examined.
> >
> > Something similar could be done to prospect for algae or other species.
> >
> > Snow ecology might also be something to look into; there are entire
> > ecologies of bacteria, tardigrades, worms, algae and other species that live
> > within patches of snow, often coloring it red, orange, or yellow. Perhaps
> > treks to Devon Island's ice caps should be scheduled, to seek specimens
> > and/or simply study the indigenous snow ecology there.
> >
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> > Arctic Base - http://arctic.marssociety.org/
> >
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 3:50:44 -0000 (GMT)
From: Dean Calahan |
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> It's certainly an interesting idea! Two quick points we'll need
> to handle though:
>
> (1) Collecting plants there, etc, needs a research permit. We
> should check with Pascal and see what he thinks.
Steve, should this be your job, as you and Pascal are buddies? We'd be
collecting not just plants per se, but specifically microbes for testing for
use in a biofilter.
> (2) Samples generally will be difficult to return to the US.
>
What is involved? Is it less difficult for microbes than for higher plants?
> Actually, a third one is that some of this has already been done,
> of course, in various ways, as part of HMP and other Arctic studies.
>
I guess this should be part of our literature review.
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 4:28:54 -0000 (GMT)
From: Curtis Snow |
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At 20:50 -0700 2000.06.08, Dean Calahan wrote:
>> It's certainly an interesting idea!
>> Actually, a third one is that some of this has already been done,
>> of course, in various ways, as part of HMP and other Arctic studies.
>>
>
>I guess this should be part of our literature review.
maybe part of what "we" might want to ask "friendly" Inuit resident folk to
do "on our behalf" should there be any "interested" in our thing
that way the customs folks are NOT involved
"Let everything be allowed to do what it naturally does, so that nature
will be satisfied" - Chuang Tzu
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Fri, 9 Jun 2000 4:53:26 -0000 (GMT)
From: Erik Biermann |
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Prospecting for Artic species by trying to innoculate some sterile
substrate may be a good experiment to try this summer. If the various
species that grow within the snow or permafrost are amenable to growth
within a biofilm, we could end up with a biofilm reactor that is fairly
efficient at lower temperatures since those organisms will already have
proteins and enzymes designed by nature to perform metabolic functions at
low temps.
Any other thoughts?
Erik Biermann
On Wed, 7 Jun 2000, Dean Calahan wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from "Dean Calahan" ]
>
> Steve asks:
> > Another issue, of course, is how do we do this with only Arctic species?
>
> I suggest that we prospect for viable species this year.
>
> Somebody could take a sterilized biofilter up to the Arctic this year, and
> run a bunch of native water & supplied nutrients through it to establish a
> native ecology. Then it could be brought back and examined.
>
> Something similar could be done to prospect for algae or other species.
>
> Snow ecology might also be something to look into; there are entire
> ecologies of bacteria, tardigrades, worms, algae and other species that live
> within patches of snow, often coloring it red, orange, or yellow. Perhaps
> treks to Devon Island's ice caps should be scheduled, to seek specimens
> and/or simply study the indigenous snow ecology there.
>
> ---------------------------------------------
> Mars Society Life Support Task Force
> Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
> Arctic Base - http://arctic.marssociety.org/
>
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Sun, 11 Jun 2000 20:40:2 -0000 (GMT)
From: Stephen Braham |
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Hi Curtis,
Customs are involved the moment we try to move it through our border.
Also, it's not just a customs issue, but an issue under the Nunavut Act,
and many of our environmental protection acts up here.
Steve
Curtis Snow wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from Curtis Snow ]
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> At 20:50 -0700 2000.06.08, Dean Calahan wrote:
> >> It's certainly an interesting idea!
>
> >> Actually, a third one is that some of this has already been done,
> >> of course, in various ways, as part of HMP and other Arctic studies.
> >>
> >
> >I guess this should be part of our literature review.
>
> maybe part of what "we" might want to ask "friendly" Inuit resident folk to
> do "on our behalf" should there be any "interested" in our thing
>
> that way the customs folks are NOT involved
>
> "Let everything be allowed to do what it naturally does, so that nature
> will be satisfied" - Chuang Tzu
>
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 1:45:55 -0000 (GMT)
From: curtis snow |
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At 13:40 -0700 2000.06.11, Stephen Braham wrote:
> Customs are involved the moment we try to move it through our border.
exactly...so why move anything through the border ?
>Also, it's not just a customs issue, but an issue under the Nunavut Act,
>and many of our environmental protection acts up here.
again...exactly...don`t move the stuff around
and allow Nunavut partisipation...in fact the smart thing would be to allow
them to lead this area of research
"Let everything be allowed to do what it naturally does, so that nature
will be satisfied" - Chuang Tzu
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Subject: Arctic Species for biofiltration
Date: Mon, 12 Jun 2000 2:10:0 -0000 (GMT)
From: curtis snow |
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At 18:45 -0800 2000.06.11, curtis snow blathered :
>and allow Nunavut partisipation...
uhhhh...ooooops
"participation" be da word dere
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