|
Subject: face-to-face meeting and more
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 21:26:27 -0000 (GMT)
From: Terry Kok |
|
Everyone,
I haven't heard from anyone other than Dean who is
willing or able to meet on Lothlorien. In fact, I
haven't heard much from anyone about FMARS at all.
Could this be because, according to Zubrin, there is
going to be nothing but a portable chemical toilet at
FMARS in 2000, and some sort of water recycling system
in 2001 (maybe)? He also said that a CELSS is NOT in
the plan for early Mars exploration, that
chemical-physical systems will be used instead. Of
course I argued for CELSS on Mars (and on FMARS) and
will continue to do so. Story Musgrave, who was
present at the conference in Ohio where I saw Zubrin,
also thinks that a CELSS is essential for the
missions. If a CELSS is not attached to FMARS there
are going to be a lot of disappointed people who
thought that Red and Green belonged together. "Where's
the greenhouse?", they will ask. The HAB alone will
not capture the popular imagination because it is
simply too much like normal NASA style imagery. The
greenhouse CELSS, on the other hand, shows a
connection to living things. Do folks understand what
I'm saying? - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
Has everyone seen this signifcant Mars photo? Strange,
isn't it?
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/jpegmaps/M0400291.jpg
- --- Terry Kok wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> ]
>
>
> I would love to get together. It is so much easier
> to
> discuss details face to face. I'm really serious
> about
> "not reinventing the wheel". The next generation of
> CELSS needs to be TOP NOTCH, not the "same old
> thing".
> The diagram on the website is nice but it is basicly
> what I did in BIOSTAR-A. I wouldn't do it again
> because we can do much better. What is the chance of
> meeting with each other here on Lothlorien before
> the
> Toronto event? Is anyone interested besides Dean and
> maybe Hoop?
>
> By the way, I'm still not registered for Toronto
> because I'm not sure if I can afford the cost of
> staying there and returning to Indiana. Will anyone
> be
> coming back this way after Toronto (I can help with
> gas)? Dean said that he can get me to Toronto. I
> wouldn't mind splitting costs on a room (all I need
> is
> a floor to crash on). - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
>
>
> > Way Cool!
> > Does it make sense for there to be a face-to-face
> meeting between the
> Green
> > CELSS Task Force and the Maryland Task Force?
> > Hoop
> >
> I will be driving cross-country from Seattle to the
> Toronto conference, and
> was planning to stop by Terry's ecohaven on the
> weekend before. Mabye the MD
> folks can arrange a field trip, and we can have a
> life
>
> support workshop
> there.
>
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Subject: face-to-face meeting and more
Date: Thu, 15 Jun 2000 23:20:44 -0000 (GMT)
From: Dean Calahan |
|
> > [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok ]
> >
> > Could this be because, according to Zubrin, there is
> > going to be nothing but a portable chemical toilet at
>
> For 2000, I think this has been the expectation essentially forever.
>
> As for the other, my own basis personal feeling is that TMS is a
membership,
> volunteer org, and that just because certain specific views are held by
the
> president, doesn't mean that the membership is powerless. In a sense,
F-MARS
> is "Ours" as members of the org.
>
> In any event, towards the idea of anything being or not being in any plan
> for F-MARS, my feeling is that among KAM and Braham (hey, that rhymes!),
who
> are both involved in FMARS, I don't detect the anti-CELSS attitude. To put
> it another way, if a bunch of folks come together with an actual design
for
> a CELSS for F-MARS, anybody opposed will have to answer to the design, not
> some touchy feely CELSS ain't engineering metaphor. So I guess that what
I'm
> saying is, "what do you care what Bob Zubrin thinks about CELSS?" I don't
> mean to be flip, but he's not a king.
>
> Also, as far as anything being in any plan, for Real-Mars: well, let's get
> real. There ain't no plan for putting people on Mars. There are some
design
> concepts (some of which are called "Mars Direct", "The NASA Reference
> Mission" and so forth). If it were a plan, there would be designs. Show me
> the designs. Therefore, saying that CELSS is not part of any plan is kind
of
> preposterous. Again, I can see where you might think I'm being flip. So
it's
> not in any widely published "modern" Mars mission design concepts either.
> That means, this is our hour! Let's force this thing through the
> bureaucracy! Get it built! In my profession (software engineering) and I'm
> sure in others, the only reason certain outstanding features get into
> products is because the engineers disobey management and do it against
> orders.
>
> So I guess that ultimately what I'm saying is, that I think that to meet
> Terry's objections, the Life Support Group simply has to deliver on their
> Mission Statement, which is essentially to design a WWTS for F-MARS 2001.
A
> system that can be expanded in future seasons to ever more complete
closure.
> Aside from the fact that it doesn't provide instant gratification as far
has
> having a closed CELSS for F-MARS immediately, what is wrong with this
> approach?
>
>
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Subject: face-to-face meeting and more
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 19:7:29 -0000 (GMT)
From: David Michael Blersch |
|
Terry,
I'd be interested in meeting you at Lothlorien. If possible, I'd like
to take a tour of your Biostar facility. I have tentative plans for a visit
to Chicago the last weekend of July--perhaps I can take a day to drive out
to your facility.
As for the e-mail silence--well, I think we're all trying to get a handle
on the direction in which we'll proceed. I think you are correct in your
assessment over the CELSS ambiguity. Most of us (I believe) would like
to work on some sort of system that would evolve and approach a closed
ecological system construct (although not necessarily a CELSS in the
strict NASA definition). As for me personally, I've discovered that I'm
not a very good e-mail conversationalist, possibly due to my impatience
with certain technologies.
Should I visit you in July, I hope we can take the opportunity to exchange
ideas and design concepts and solidify our organizational and design
procedures, in preparation for the August conference.
Regards,
Dave
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
David M. Blersch
Dept. Biological Resources Engineering
University of Maryland College Park
Phone: (301) 405-1183
dblersch@wam.umd.edu
dblersch@aol.com
On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Terry Kok wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok ]
>
> Everyone,
> I haven't heard from anyone other than Dean who is
> willing or able to meet on Lothlorien. In fact, I
> haven't heard much from anyone about FMARS at all.
> Could this be because, according to Zubrin, there is
> going to be nothing but a portable chemical toilet at
> FMARS in 2000, and some sort of water recycling system
> in 2001 (maybe)? He also said that a CELSS is NOT in
> the plan for early Mars exploration, that
> chemical-physical systems will be used instead. Of
> course I argued for CELSS on Mars (and on FMARS) and
> will continue to do so. Story Musgrave, who was
> present at the conference in Ohio where I saw Zubrin,
> also thinks that a CELSS is essential for the
> missions. If a CELSS is not attached to FMARS there
> are going to be a lot of disappointed people who
> thought that Red and Green belonged together. "Where's
> the greenhouse?", they will ask. The HAB alone will
> not capture the popular imagination because it is
> simply too much like normal NASA style imagery. The
> greenhouse CELSS, on the other hand, shows a
> connection to living things. Do folks understand what
> I'm saying? - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
>
> Has everyone seen this signifcant Mars photo? Strange,
> isn't it?
> http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/jpegmaps/M0400291.jpg
>
> --- Terry Kok wrote:
> > [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> > ]
> >
> >
> > I would love to get together. It is so much easier
> > to
> > discuss details face to face. I'm really serious
> > about
> > "not reinventing the wheel". The next generation of
> > CELSS needs to be TOP NOTCH, not the "same old
> > thing".
> > The diagram on the website is nice but it is basicly
> > what I did in BIOSTAR-A. I wouldn't do it again
> > because we can do much better. What is the chance of
> > meeting with each other here on Lothlorien before
> > the
> > Toronto event? Is anyone interested besides Dean and
> > maybe Hoop?
> >
> > By the way, I'm still not registered for Toronto
> > because I'm not sure if I can afford the cost of
> > staying there and returning to Indiana. Will anyone
> > be
> > coming back this way after Toronto (I can help with
> > gas)? Dean said that he can get me to Toronto. I
> > wouldn't mind splitting costs on a room (all I need
> > is
> > a floor to crash on). - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > > Way Cool!
> > > Does it make sense for there to be a face-to-face
> > meeting between the
> > Green
> > > CELSS Task Force and the Maryland Task Force?
> > > Hoop
> > >
> > I will be driving cross-country from Seattle to the
> > Toronto conference, and
> > was planning to stop by Terry's ecohaven on the
> > weekend before. Mabye the MD
> > folks can arrange a field trip, and we can have a
> > life
> >
> > support workshop
> > there.
> >
> > _
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints!
> > http://photos.yahoo.com
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Mars Society Life Support Task Force
> > Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> > http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
> > Arctic Base - http://arctic.marssociety.org/
>
>
> _
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> ---------------------------------------------
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> Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
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>
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Subject: face-to-face meeting and more
Date: Fri, 16 Jun 2000 20:49:17 -0000 (GMT)
From: John Ives-Halperin |
|
Terry,
I (and I think most of us here on Maryland Task Force) agree with much of
what you are saying below. I may not be going to Toronto conference. So
coming out to Lothlorien probably wont include me this summer. I do,
however, look forward to meeting and talking with you about designing and
building living systems.
What is that structure in the lower left corner of the Mars image you
pointed us to?
Hoop
- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
[mailto:owner-life-support@chapters.marssociety.org]On Behalf Of Terry
Kok
Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 5:26 PM
To: life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
Subject: [life-support] face-to-face meeting and more
[to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok ]
Everyone,
I haven't heard from anyone other than Dean who is
willing or able to meet on Lothlorien. In fact, I
haven't heard much from anyone about FMARS at all.
Could this be because, according to Zubrin, there is
going to be nothing but a portable chemical toilet at
FMARS in 2000, and some sort of water recycling system
in 2001 (maybe)? He also said that a CELSS is NOT in
the plan for early Mars exploration, that
chemical-physical systems will be used instead. Of
course I argued for CELSS on Mars (and on FMARS) and
will continue to do so. Story Musgrave, who was
present at the conference in Ohio where I saw Zubrin,
also thinks that a CELSS is essential for the
missions. If a CELSS is not attached to FMARS there
are going to be a lot of disappointed people who
thought that Red and Green belonged together. "Where's
the greenhouse?", they will ask. The HAB alone will
not capture the popular imagination because it is
simply too much like normal NASA style imagery. The
greenhouse CELSS, on the other hand, shows a
connection to living things. Do folks understand what
I'm saying? - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
Has everyone seen this signifcant Mars photo? Strange,
isn't it?
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/jpegmaps/M0400291.jpg
- --- Terry Kok wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> ]
>
>
> I would love to get together. It is so much easier
> to
> discuss details face to face. I'm really serious
> about
> "not reinventing the wheel". The next generation of
> CELSS needs to be TOP NOTCH, not the "same old
> thing".
> The diagram on the website is nice but it is basicly
> what I did in BIOSTAR-A. I wouldn't do it again
> because we can do much better. What is the chance of
> meeting with each other here on Lothlorien before
> the
> Toronto event? Is anyone interested besides Dean and
> maybe Hoop?
>
> By the way, I'm still not registered for Toronto
> because I'm not sure if I can afford the cost of
> staying there and returning to Indiana. Will anyone
> be
> coming back this way after Toronto (I can help with
> gas)? Dean said that he can get me to Toronto. I
> wouldn't mind splitting costs on a room (all I need
> is
> a floor to crash on). - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
>
>
> > Way Cool!
> > Does it make sense for there to be a face-to-face
> meeting between the
> Green
> > CELSS Task Force and the Maryland Task Force?
> > Hoop
> >
> I will be driving cross-country from Seattle to the
> Toronto conference, and
> was planning to stop by Terry's ecohaven on the
> weekend before. Mabye the MD
> folks can arrange a field trip, and we can have a
> life
>
> support workshop
> there.
>
> _
> Do You Yahoo!?
> Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints!
> http://photos.yahoo.com
> ---------------------------------------------
> Mars Society Life Support Task Force
> Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
> Arctic Base - http://arctic.marssociety.org/
_
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Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
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Subject: face-to-face meeting and more
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:28:55 -0000 (GMT)
From: Terry Kok |
|
Sounds good David. We'll be throwing a festival
(Thunderfunder - to raise funds for a new drum & dance
dome) on July 28-30th. Anytime before, during, and/or
after is fine. Let me know a few days in advance if
possible. Of course you can tour BIOSTAR! There is
crash space available as well. Here's my phone number
if you need it: (812) 275-0694. - Terry
- --- David Michael Blersch
wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from David Michael
> Blersch ]
>
> Terry,
>
> I'd be interested in meeting you at Lothlorien. If
> possible, I'd like
> to take a tour of your Biostar facility. I have
> tentative plans for a visit
> to Chicago the last weekend of July--perhaps I can
> take a day to drive out
> to your facility.
>
> As for the e-mail silence--well, I think we're all
> trying to get a handle
> on the direction in which we'll proceed. I think you
> are correct in your
> assessment over the CELSS ambiguity. Most of us (I
> believe) would like
> to work on some sort of system that would evolve and
> approach a closed
> ecological system construct (although not
> necessarily a CELSS in the
> strict NASA definition). As for me personally, I've
> discovered that I'm
> not a very good e-mail conversationalist, possibly
> due to my impatience
> with certain technologies.
>
> Should I visit you in July, I hope we can take the
> opportunity to exchange
> ideas and design concepts and solidify our
> organizational and design
> procedures, in preparation for the August
> conference.
>
> Regards,
>
> Dave
>
> * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * *
>
> David M. Blersch
> Dept. Biological Resources Engineering
> University of Maryland College Park
> Phone: (301) 405-1183
> dblersch@wam.umd.edu
> dblersch@aol.com
>
> On Thu, 15 Jun 2000, Terry Kok wrote:
>
> > [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> ]
> >
> > Everyone,
> > I haven't heard from anyone other than Dean who is
> > willing or able to meet on Lothlorien. In fact, I
> > haven't heard much from anyone about FMARS at all.
> > Could this be because, according to Zubrin, there
> is
> > going to be nothing but a portable chemical toilet
> at
> > FMARS in 2000, and some sort of water recycling
> system
> > in 2001 (maybe)? He also said that a CELSS is NOT
> in
> > the plan for early Mars exploration, that
> > chemical-physical systems will be used instead. Of
> > course I argued for CELSS on Mars (and on FMARS)
> and
> > will continue to do so. Story Musgrave, who was
> > present at the conference in Ohio where I saw
> Zubrin,
> > also thinks that a CELSS is essential for the
> > missions. If a CELSS is not attached to FMARS
> there
> > are going to be a lot of disappointed people who
> > thought that Red and Green belonged together.
> "Where's
> > the greenhouse?", they will ask. The HAB alone
> will
> > not capture the popular imagination because it is
> > simply too much like normal NASA style imagery.
> The
> > greenhouse CELSS, on the other hand, shows a
> > connection to living things. Do folks understand
> what
> > I'm saying? - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
> >
> > Has everyone seen this signifcant Mars photo?
> Strange,
> > isn't it?
> >
>
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/jpegmaps/M0400291.jpg
> >
> > --- Terry Kok wrote:
> > > [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> > > ]
> > >
> > >
> > > I would love to get together. It is so much
> easier
> > > to
> > > discuss details face to face. I'm really serious
> > > about
> > > "not reinventing the wheel". The next generation
> of
> > > CELSS needs to be TOP NOTCH, not the "same old
> > > thing".
> > > The diagram on the website is nice but it is
> basicly
> > > what I did in BIOSTAR-A. I wouldn't do it again
> > > because we can do much better. What is the
> chance of
> > > meeting with each other here on Lothlorien
> before
> > > the
> > > Toronto event? Is anyone interested besides Dean
> and
> > > maybe Hoop?
> > >
> > > By the way, I'm still not registered for Toronto
> > > because I'm not sure if I can afford the cost of
> > > staying there and returning to Indiana. Will
> anyone
> > > be
> > > coming back this way after Toronto (I can help
> with
> > > gas)? Dean said that he can get me to Toronto. I
> > > wouldn't mind splitting costs on a room (all I
> need
> > > is
> > > a floor to crash on). - Terry at
> biostar_a@yahoo.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Way Cool!
> > > > Does it make sense for there to be a
> face-to-face
> > > meeting between the
> > > Green
> > > > CELSS Task Force and the Maryland Task Force?
> > > > Hoop
> > > >
> > > I will be driving cross-country from Seattle to
> the
> > > Toronto conference, and
> > > was planning to stop by Terry's ecohaven on the
> > > weekend before. Mabye the MD
> > > folks can arrange a field trip, and we can have
> a
> > > life
> > >
> > > support workshop
> > > there.
> > >
> > >
> _
> > > Do You Yahoo!?
> > > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints!
> > > http://photos.yahoo.com
> > > ---------------------------------------------
> > > Mars Society Life Support Task Force
> > > Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> > > http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
> > > Arctic Base - http://arctic.marssociety.org/
> >
> >
> > _
> > Do You Yahoo!?
> > Yahoo! Photos -- now, 100 FREE prints!
> > http://photos.yahoo.com
> > ---------------------------------------------
> > Mars Society Life Support Task Force
> > Email - life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> > http://home.marssociety.org/tech/life-support/
> > Arctic Base - http://arctic.marssociety.org/
> >
>
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Subject: face-to-face meeting and more
Date: Sat, 17 Jun 2000 23:50:30 -0000 (GMT)
From: Terry Kok |
|
I'm looking forward to discussing life support with
you too John. I've learned a lot about the nuts and
bolts of "Living Machines" in the last few years of
living in BIOSTAR. My system is very similar to the
diagram on the website. Through my mistakes I've
learned how to do it much better (and simpler). A
full-blown CELSS is not nearly as hard as some folks
might think. If Dave can make it before the conference
I'll put drawings in his hands. I hope to make it as
well. By the way, we are doing some pretty detailed
discussion on CELSS in the Green CELSS Task Force. If
you are interested, feel free to sign on!
THe thing in the left hand corner of the picture is
very strange indeed. I hesitate to guess what it might
be. There are currenly quite a few people doing
analysis (privately) on this. If I find out anything
useful I'll post it. Personally, it looks like giant
worm casings. I know that this interpretation is
considered (by some unscientific types) to be "crazy".
No so. Mars had water for a long time, long enough for
life to have risen and even long enough for it to
develop to huge sizes. We had dinosaurs! If
calculations are correct, Mars destructed (probably a
collision with a small asteroid) in Pre-Cambrian
(Earth) times. For all we know, much of the life on
Earth may have been seeded when Mars was blasted. I
don't know what is in the picture but I think it is
unscientific to discount the possibility of it being
the remains (fossilized) of life. Yes, I know it could
be something else. I also think that it is
unscientific to say that it IS anything at all - until
we get more data. - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
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- --- John Ives-Halperin wrote:
> [to Life Support Task Force, from "John
> Ives-Halperin" ]
>
> Terry,
> I (and I think most of us here on Maryland Task
> Force) agree with much of
> what you are saying below. I may not be going to
> Toronto conference. So
> coming out to Lothlorien probably wont include me
> this summer. I do,
> however, look forward to meeting and talking with
> you about designing and
> building living systems.
>
> What is that structure in the lower left corner of
> the Mars image you
> pointed us to?
>
> Hoop
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
>
[mailto:owner-life-support@chapters.marssociety.org]On
> Behalf Of Terry
> Kok
> Sent: Thursday, June 15, 2000 5:26 PM
> To: life-support@chapters.marssociety.org
> Subject: [life-support] face-to-face meeting and
> more
>
>
>
> [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> ]
>
> Everyone,
> I haven't heard from anyone other than Dean who is
> willing or able to meet on Lothlorien. In fact, I
> haven't heard much from anyone about FMARS at all.
> Could this be because, according to Zubrin, there is
> going to be nothing but a portable chemical toilet
> at
> FMARS in 2000, and some sort of water recycling
> system
> in 2001 (maybe)? He also said that a CELSS is NOT in
> the plan for early Mars exploration, that
> chemical-physical systems will be used instead. Of
> course I argued for CELSS on Mars (and on FMARS) and
> will continue to do so. Story Musgrave, who was
> present at the conference in Ohio where I saw
> Zubrin,
> also thinks that a CELSS is essential for the
> missions. If a CELSS is not attached to FMARS there
> are going to be a lot of disappointed people who
> thought that Red and Green belonged together.
> "Where's
> the greenhouse?", they will ask. The HAB alone will
> not capture the popular imagination because it is
> simply too much like normal NASA style imagery. The
> greenhouse CELSS, on the other hand, shows a
> connection to living things. Do folks understand
> what
> I'm saying? - Terry at biostar_a@yahoo.com
>
> Has everyone seen this signifcant Mars photo?
> Strange,
> isn't it?
>
http://www.msss.com/moc_gallery/jpegmaps/M0400291.jpg
>
> --- Terry Kok wrote:
> > [to Life Support Task Force, from Terry Kok
> > ]
> >
> >
> > I would love to get together. It is so much easier
> > to
> > discuss details face to face. I'm really serious
> > about
> > "not reinventing the wheel". The next generation
> of
> > CELSS needs to be TOP NOTCH, not the "same old
> > thing".
> > The diagram on the website is nice but it is
> basicly
> > what I did in BIOSTAR-A. I wouldn't do it again
> > because we can do much better. What is the chance
> of
> > meeting with each other here on Lothlorien before
> > the
> > Toronto event? Is anyone interested besides Dean
> and
> > maybe Hoop?
> >
> > By the way, I'm still not registered for Toronto
> > because I'm not sure if I can afford the cost of
> > staying there and returning to Indiana. Will
> anyone
> > be
> > coming back this way after Toronto (I can help
> with
> > gas)? Dean said that he can get me to Toronto. I
> > wouldn't mind splitting costs on a room (all I
> need
> > is
> > a floor to crash on). - Terry at
> biostar_a@yahoo.com
> >
> >
> > > Way Cool!
> > > Does it make sense for there to be a
> face-to-face
> > meeting between the
> > Green
> > > CELSS Task Force and the Maryland Task Force?
> > > Hoop
> > >
> > I will be driving cross-country from Seattle to
> the
> > Toronto conference, and
> > was planning to stop by Terry's ecohaven on the
> > weekend before. Mabye the MD
> > folks can arrange a field trip, and we can have a
> > life
> >
> > support workshop
> > there.
> >
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